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"The most readily available firearm for the patrol officer is the handgun. The gun on the hip is an officer's constant companion. When the unexpected need for deadly force arises on a call for service, the handgun is there. However, when the likelihood of a deadly force encounter is known, the shotgun becomes the first choice. What if an officer must enter an area where it is likely the only force option is a firearm? Employ the tactical shotgun."
"The tactical pump shotgun is a versatile tool. It can launch huge chunks of lead far beyond the conventional range of law enforcement handguns. For the urban officer, the shotgun will trump nearly every close threat that is not rocket propelled. ..." ... |
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TimJenkin@msn.com
(11/7/2006)
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Thaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaat's right. Every officer should have a Remington 870 Special . Like they Use to Make. 21" Barrel. Bored fully Modified from the cone out to the Muzzle. Using a 10 gauge Barrel Blank. Vent Rib. Gold Horizon rear Open sight, with a White Bead sight on the Front. These Shotguns were so well made, They were Known to shoot a 1 Oz. Rifled slugs out to 250 meters with a, 1 1/2 - 2 inch, MOA! From a smooth Bore?! 000 buck patterns were so consistent with these well made arms. You didn't have to pattern them. They sure don't make'm Like they use tooooooo! |
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mikestraw1@juno.com
(11/7/2006)
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"The tactical pump shotgun is a versatile tool. It can launch huge chunks of lead into unknown areas far beyond the conventional range of law-enforcement wisdom. For the urban officer, the shotgun will trump nearly every close threat that is not rocket propelled," like in the North Hollywood robbery... no, like when Jessica Carpenter's siblings were brutally assaulted... well, like the McDonald's massacre... ah, like the Robert Kennedy assassination... oh, forget it.
Molon Labe!
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| Comment by:
Defender
(11/7/2006)
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I love my Mossberg 500. It's as accurate as I am and then some, unmodified. Silhouette targets at 100 yards with slugs, no problem, wham. I'd like to get the extended-mag 590 with the bayonet lug. Question: If shotguns will take care of business, whyizit that every cop and his partner is being issued a semi-auto-ized M-16 carbine, huh? More useful against an organized group of armed and trained individuals, such as ... I dunno, a MILITIA, maybe? |
| Comment by:
farmer@sou.edu
(11/8/2006)
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Historically the pump shotgun in American law enforcement began with the John M. Browning designed Winchester Model 97 "hammer" pump action shotgun in 12 gauge (1897-1957). The Winchester Model 97 set the stage for decades. I own an original 1930 Winchester Repeating Arms Co. catalog. The Model 97 and likewise Model 12 "hammerless" were both designated as the "Guard and Riot Gun." Of course since the advent of the Ithaca Model 37 (1937), the Remington Model 870 Wingmaster (1950), and other shotguns, there remains today quite a selection of different pump action shotguns available. |
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TimJenkin@msn.com
(11/8/2006)
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Well Mike? I guess the Police could use a Teflon coated Slug and/ or teflon coated Buck shot for those Armored vests criminals are using these days, huh? You know The standard for a Police pistol use to be the .38 special. They stopped using it because of ricochet' and civilian casualties from shooting them, in fire fights with criminals on the streets. 5.56 /.223 Nato rounds are worse yet.
The reason the Army LIKED this round was because it tumbled when it hit a persons Body. You could get hit in the shoulder and the round might come out your foot. |
| Comment by:
farmer@sou.edu
(11/8/2006)
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I think Tim here is alluding to the old but now basically obsolete 158 grain round nosed "lead" police load in .38 Special. It's true they tended to richochet. I'm certain the 148 grain lead target wadcutter was perhaps less apt to richochet, and probably was more effective. Of course with the advent of modern .38 Special ammo such as Winchester's silvertip hollowpoint and Federal's Hydra-Shok in the 125 and 129 grain +P loadings respectively, the old previously mentioned police loading is obsolete. Despite newer handgun calibers the venerable .38 Special remains useful, versatile, and fun to shoot for the average person. And it can likewise be useful for the outdoorsman as well. |
| Comment by:
NoBody@NoDomain.un-org
(11/8/2006)
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Fairly well-written article, except for one mior caveat...
I don't depend on the 'Chunk-Chunk' sound of the slide being racked on MY Home Land Security Shotgun (A Maverick 88, made by Mossberg). My warning sound consists of the "Snick!" of the Fire Control Group [safety] being set to "Operate" |
| Comment by:
ovcharka@sbcglobal.net
(11/8/2006)
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What about 300 gr. Hornady XP bullets in a Ruger .44 Mag. Redhawk with 7 1/2 in. barrel? It's not as powerful as a shotgun, to be sure, but it's more maneuverable in tight quarters.
Maybe 300 gr. is a little too powerful. How about 180 gr. or 240 gr. JHP bullets? |
| Comment by:
dinada1@comcast.net
(11/8/2006)
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| I had heard that the original 5.56 projectile weighed less? And tumbled on impact. But the Army marksmen group wanted a heavier projectile for accuracy. Which no longer tumbles and does a lot less damage. |
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