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TV panel discusses Mexican hunting dangers and inhumane Humane Society practices
Submitted by: David Codrea
Website: http://www.davidcodrea.com

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... "Two topics were selected for discussion, the first being hunting in Mexico, often under armed guards due to cartel terror (with a segue into Fast and Furious), and the second being the blackmail-style pressure the Humane Society of the United States brings to bear on conservation charities to not accept contributions from hunters. Their ruthlessness is shocking, and it actually works against their advertised mission and creates a devastating and wholly unjustifiable extinction threat to endangered species. This is a story that’s been underreported and is probably news to even most hunters." ...
 

Brilliant Move!
Submitted by: Bruce W. Krafft

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"The concept of microstamping is fairly well-known by now. It involves a laser-engraved number of a firing pin which transfers that code number to the primer of a cartridge. Its proponents argue that it will allow police to identify firearms used in crimes by shell casings left at the scene. That is, if only it was reliable and worked as its inventor and the gun control lobby said it would." ...

"Its inventor, Todd Lizotte, ... had wanted his patent on the process to lapse into the public domain. The patent issue is critical for it to go into operation in California. He and his backers just didn't figure in the tech industry savvy of the CalGuns Foundations whose officers know a thing or two about patents." ...
 

The Different Types of “Anti-Gunners” and How To Change Their Mind
Submitted by: Dan Cannon
Website: http://gunssavelives.net

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"Why are some people 'anti-gun'?"

"Well with over 500 documented cases right here on this site of citizens lawfully using firearms to defend either themselves (in less than a year by the way), their families, their homes, or complete strangers you would think people would understand why firearms are a needed tool in modern society. However, we all know that is not the case. There are still multitudes of Americans who would be classified as 'Anti-Gun'."

"Why is this? In this article we’ll present several theories that we think might shed some light on the way anti-gun people think. When dealing with someone who is anti-gun it is easy to become emotional and not look at the reasons the person feels the way they do. ..." ...
 

Praxis: Tracking on the Battlefield
Submitted by: Bruce W. Krafft

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"When we hear the term 'tracker,' most of us think back to the days of John Wayne and the 7th Cavalry, conjuring up images of the tracker dismounting his horse, observing the ground, and quickly relaying fascinating information from a single traqck. What most would consider 'only in the movies' is very close to reality and is currently employed as a viable skill set in numerous low-intensity conflicts in more relevant and modern times. ..."

"Throughout history, commanders have taken advantage of these skills by gathering vital intelligence, surveillance, and reconnaissance (ISR) to better understand the battlefield. ..." ...
 

Self-Defense Tip: Avoid Training Scars
Submitted by: Bruce W. Krafft

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"Train as you mean to fight. Problem: it’s simply not possible at a traditional or 'square' gun range. Sure you can train yourself to load and handle your gun properly and hit that at which you’re aiming. But there’s no shoot/no shoot interaction. No movement. No cover or concealment. No stress. Most ranges won’t even let you draw from a holster or rapid fire. Unless you’re running through reality-based scenarios using your actual self-defense equipment against [role-playing] bad guys intent on doing you [pretend] harm in a [semi] realistic environment, you’re training is incomplete. To say the least. Because it’s entirely possible that it’s worse than that. You could be training yourself to fail . . ." ...
 

Open Carry: Been There. Done That.
Submitted by: Bruce W. Krafft

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"One of the perks of this Gunwerks trip is that I get to visit one of OpenCarry.org’s 'Gold Star' states. And that means I get to open carry for the first time in my life. I’ve done it twice so far. The first time was for these cheesy tourist pictures taken at the Wyoming/Montana border." ...
 

Gun Review: Taurus 24/7 G2 .45 ACP
Submitted by: Bruce W. Krafft

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"Say what you will about Brazilian gunmaker Taurus, but don’t accuse them of laziness. Instead of flogging the same tired product line for decades or blindly copying other makers’ designs, Taurus has never been afraid to try something new. If it’s a hit like the Judge, they run with it. If it’s a miss, they design something to replace it and they move on. At the consumer end, we seem to read about a new Taurus handgun product about every other week . . ." ...
 

Gear Review: Comp-Tac Two O’Clock Holster
Submitted by: Bruce W. Krafft

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"After I bemoaned the width of the Comp-Tac Minotaur AIWB holster, Tiffany at Comp-Tac was quick to send out their Two O’Clock model for review. I have to say, after a few days toting the Two around, I’m almost an AIWB convert. I’ll give credit where credit is due, the appendix position is wicked fast. As I’ve stated countless times, Kydex is the fastest material I’ve had the pleasure of putting hands on. Put the two together, and you have possibly the fastest drawing holster a little bit of money can buy." ...
 

Starlight Cases Pistol Case Review (video story)
Submitted by: Bruce W. Krafft

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"This is a gear review for something that HOLDS guns we review. That said, watch the video. It definitely completes the overall look at what Starlight Cases can withstand." ...
 

Why Pump Action Shotguns Suck for Home Defense (video available)
Submitted by: Bruce W. Krafft

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"Whenever gunnies recommend pump-action shotguns for home defense, I sigh, roll my eyes and STFU. Provided I’m not blogging. Here at The Truth About Guns (i.e. safe behind my keyboard), I feel free to tell newbies do NOT get a pump. Yes, pump action shotguns are dead nuts reliable and foolproof. But only in theory. ..." ...
 

Gear Review: Sig Sauer Rifle GoBag
Submitted by: Bruce W. Krafft

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"For the last couple of months I’ve been road-testing gun cases. I’ve been traveling with long guns and it can be a royal pain in the ass. There are times when I simply have to have a good rock-solid case, like a Pelican or an ECS. Flying with a rifle, for example, can be cumbersome and a lockable, waterproof, crushproof case can make things much easier."

"But even heading out to the range sometimes requires a little bit more containment—and for that, I’d suggest the Sig Sauer Rifle GoBag by Sig Sauer Guns and Accessories, the webshop for Osage County Guns in Missouri. These range bags are durable, versatile and much more lighter." ...
 

Diamondback DB380 (video story)
Submitted by: Bruce W. Krafft

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"Today we have the review of the Diamondback DB380. 380′s are becoming an increasingly popular firearm to carry due to is compact size and powerful life saving round. ..." ...
 

Small-Unit Kill Teams
Submitted by: Bruce W. Krafft

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"About 80 percent of U.S. soldier deaths in Iraq are caused by improvised explosive devices (IEDs). The U.S. Army has employed various preventive measures to reduce IED damage on the battlefield ..."

"While these defensive measures provide increased survivability against IEDs, they are reactionary in nature and designed to help avoid and defeat IEDs, rather than destroy or neutralize those who put them to use. Only through a combined effort of passive defensive measures and aggressive dedicated IED interdiction operations can we effectively work to neutralize the threat of IEDs in the contemporary operating environment." ...
 

Method to Track Firearm Use Is Stalled by Foes
Submitted by: GunPoliticsNY
Website: http://www.gunpoliticsny.com

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"Identifying the firearm used in a crime is one of the biggest challenges for criminal investigators. But what if a shell casing picked up at a murder scene could immediately be tracked to the gun that fired it?"

"A technique that uses laser technology and stamps a numeric code on shell casings can do just that. But the technology, called microstamping, has been swept up in the larger national debate over gun laws and Second Amendment rights, and efforts to require gun makers to use it have stalled across the nation." ...
 

MI: More FUD From Michigan Gun Grabbers
Submitted by: Bruce W. Krafft

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"'A bill pending in the state Legislature (S.B. 59) would, for the first time, allow individuals who have a permit to carry a concealed handgun on school property, in places of worship, day care centers, sports arenas, bars, hospitals, college dormitories and classrooms,' detroitnews.com reports. Wait. Editorializes. Needless to say, the Detroit News is happy to provide e-space for a couple of gun grabbers intent on shooting down any idea of any concealed carry anywhere. And they bring facts! Well, something that looks like facts . . ." ...
 

UT: Disarming My Fear
Submitted by: Bruce W. Krafft

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"Of all the amendments to the Constitution, I used to think the Second Amendment was my least favorite. It just did nothing for me. Quite obviously, I very much enjoy my freedom of speech, and of the press. ..."

"But the Second Amendment, the one ensuring us the right to bear arms, I was never entirely sold on. Mostly this is because I've never been comfortable around guns. Until recently, my only experience with them was that I sometimes watched "Law & Order." In general, they make me nervous."

"But then again, so do spiders, motorcycles and small children."

"So, setting out to overcome my fear of firearms, I called up Roger Armstrong, one of the owners of The Park City Gun Club." ...
 

CA: Homeowner Gets Pepper Sprayed by Home Invader, but Still Manages to Retrieve Gun and Fire at Intruder
Submitted by: Bruce W. Krafft

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"A CA homeowner awoke in the middle of the night when he heard some strange noises. By the time he got out of bed an intruder was already in his bedroom and sprayed the homeowner with a blast of pepper spray. Partially blinded the homeowner still managed to get his hands on his gun and fire several shots at the suspect. The suspect then fled the home. ..." ...
 

OH: Teenager Shoots Daytime Burglar
Submitted by: Bruce W. Krafft

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"A teenager in Ohio heard strange noises coming from the ground floor of his family’s home on Friday afternoon. The 17 year old retrieved a gun and went downstairs where he saw an intruder holding several items from the home. The teen fired two shots at the intruder. It is believed one of the shots hit the intruder in the stomach. The would be burglar ran away ..." ...
 

GA: 75 Year Old Business Owner in GA Shoots Violent Career Criminal in the Head
Submitted by: Bruce W. Krafft

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"Donald Collins attempted to rob a 75 year old owner of a check cashing business as the owner was preparing to open. The would be robber tried to rush in through an employee entrance while the owner was letting in an employee. The shop owner then confronted the armed robber. Collins pointed a gun at the shop owner. That’s when the owner fired 3 shots from his own gun, striking the suspect twice. Collins is under police guard and is in critical condition in the hospital." ...
 

CBS News: House committee schedules contempt vote against Holder
Submitted by: Bruce W. Krafft

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"CBS News is reporting that the House Oversight Committee will vote next week on whether to hold Attorney General Eric Holder in contempt of Congress. According to the report, it's the fourth time in 30 years that Congress has launched a contempt action against an executive branch member. This time, the move stems from Holder failing to turn over documents subpoenaed on October 12, 2011 in the Fast and Furious 'gunwalking' investigation." ...
 

Holder contempt vote coming next week, says Issa
Submitted by: Bruce W. Krafft

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"After months of speculation and threats that some pundits have denounced as empty, the House Committee on Oversight and Government Reform is scheduled to vote Wednesday, June 20 on whether to hold Attorney General Eric Holder in contempt over Justice Department stonewalling on Operation Fast and Furious." ...
 

Buerkle Supports Finding Holder in Contempt of Congress
Submitted by: GunPoliticsNY
Website: http://www.gunpoliticsny.com

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... "'Attorney General Eric Holder is in Contempt of Congress and I will vote ‘Aye’ without reservation during next week’s House Oversight and Government Reform Committee meeting.'"

"'Throughout Congress’s investigation into Operation Fast and Furious, he has been callous toward deceased Border Patrol Agent Brian Terry’s family, inaccurate in the information he has provided to Congress, and he has not taken responsibility for his role while dodging difficult questions. Mr. Holder’s continued deflection of accountability and denial of any previous knowledge of Operation Fast and Furious is shameful.'" ...
 

Holder defenders cry ‘political theater’ as CCRKBA works out video bugs
Submitted by: Bruce W. Krafft

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"Attorney General Eric Holder’s defenders are accusing his critics of engaging in political theater, while the hard-hitting video criticizing Holder – launched Monday by the Citizens Committee for the Right to Keep and Bear Arms – now has the bugs worked out and is back up and running."

"If you haven’t seen that message, it’s worth a view. CCRKBA is trying to raise funds to put it on television all over the broadcast landscape." ...
 

CCRKBA releases devastating Fast & Furious promo
Submitted by: Bruce W. Krafft

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"The Bellevue-based Citizens Committee for the Right to Keep and Bear Arms released a powerful promotional video on Operation Fast and Furious Monday that probably could not have been better timed."

"CCRKBA’s video was released a few hours after the House Committee on Oversight and Government Reform announced an upcoming vote on possible contempt proceedings against Attorney General Eric Holder for stonewalling the 18-month investigation. The video has already made it to YouTube." ...
 

CBS News Falsely Claims to Be First Reporting Fast & Furious
Submitted by: Bruce W. Krafft

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"Almost alone among the mainstream journalists, CBS News reporter Sharyl Attkisson has been reporting on the Fast & Furious scandal. For that she should be commended. However she wasn't the first to report on it. In fact much of her information was provided to her by David Codrea ... and citizen journalist Mike Vanderboegh of the Sipsey Street Irregulars blog. That is why it was so grating when Attkisson wrote this jarring sentence in a report about the House Oversight Committee scheduling a contempt vote against Attorney General Eric Holder:"

"The story was exposed nationally for the first time by CBS News in February 2011."

"Um, no. That is true only for exposure on national television ..." ...
 

House Oversight Committee’s Fast and Furious Fact Sheet
Submitted by: Bruce W. Krafft

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"Oversight Committee Schedules June 20 Contempt Vote over Operation Fast and Furious Documents"

"• Yesterday, House Oversight and Government Reform Committee Chairman Darrell Issa announced that the House Oversight Committee will convene to consider a contempt of Congress report for Attorney General Eric Holder on Wednesday, June 20."

"• This comes after repeated warnings to the Attorney General about the consequences of his continued failure to produce subpoenaed documents related to the reckless conduct that occurred in Operation Fast and Furious – a failed ATF effort that allowed weapons to flow to Mexican drug cartels in an effort to build a bigger case against a smuggling syndicate." ...
 

Let’s Keep the Good News Coming – #GUNVOTE
Submitted by: Bruce W. Krafft

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"We’re not saying that things are going so well that Lady Luck is trying to tell us to run out and buy a lottery ticket. But there has been some good news lately." ...
 

Plan B – The U.S. Senate
Submitted by: Bruce W. Krafft

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"All gun owners have a vested interest in helping Mitt Romney defeat Barack Obama this November. We must defeat Obama this fall. But just in case we fail, we must also execute a Plan B."

"The largest and longest-term threat to gun ownership is through the continued appointment of judges who will rule from the bench to deny and revoke your rights. ... Those appointments are confirmed by the U.S. Senate. It is imperative for all gun owners that we replace Senators who support and confirm Obama's rabidly anti-gun justices with ones who will insist on justices who support your rights and our Constitution." ...
 

OH: Buckeye Firearms Association endorses Robert Cupp for Ohio Supreme Court
Submitted by: Bruce W. Krafft

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"Buckeye Firearms Association has endorsed Ohio Supreme Court Justice Robert R. Cupp for reelection to the Ohio Supreme Court in the November 6, 2012 general election."

"Ohio Supreme Court Justice Robert Cupp has earned the support of the Buckeye Firearms Association, and the gun owners of Ohio. The words 'don't tell me, show me' have particular meaning when considering the years of support, Ohio Supreme Court Justice, Robert R. Cupp have given our rights to keep and bear arms, as well as, our rights to carry a firearm for personal protection." ...
 

FL: NRA survey takes aim at sheriff's association
Submitted by: Bruce W. Krafft

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"The National Rifle Association and Unified Sportsmen of Florida are surveying state sheriff candidates on whether they’re willing to take a stand against the very association that will represent them in the Capitol if they win."

"Their survey sent to candidates takes aim at the Florida Sheriff’s Association and other law enforcement groups, sheriffs and deputies that have opposed bills the two groups support. It also seeks support on the two groups’ future legislative agenda, including defending the 2005 Florida 'stand your ground' law that always people to use deadly force no matter where they are if they fear they are at risk of being killed or seriously injured." ...
 

LA: State voters to decide gun ownership issues
Submitted by: Bruce W. Krafft

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"A bill to protect gun rights in Louisiana received final approval from the Louisiana Legislature last week, putting a constitutional amendment on the ballot this fall for voters to approve that if passed will give Louisiana one of the country’s strongest Second Amendment protection."

"State Senator Neil Riser of Columbia, who represents La- Salle Parish and a large area of District 32, sponsored SB 303 and the bill is part of the Governor’s 2012 legislative package."

"Gov. Jindal said, 'We are adopting the strongest, most ironclad, constitutional protection for law-abiding gun owners. It’s our own Second Amendment, if you will, and I look forward to voting for this amendment in the fall.'" ...
 

OH: HB495 (Reciprocity & Concealed Carry Modernization) passed by House committee; Floor vote scheduled for WEDNESDAY!
Submitted by: Bruce W. Krafft

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"HB495, a bill introduced by Representative Terry Johnson (R-McDermott) to reform Ohio concealed carry law to protect the rights of law-abiding gun owners and continue a trend toward making Ohio law similar to other states, has been passed by the House Committee on State Government and Elections." ...
 

OH: Buckeye Firearms Assoc. Chairman Jim Irvine and attorney/ author Scott Kapas testify in support of HB495
Submitted by: Bruce W. Krafft

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"On Tuesday, June 12, the House Committee on State Government and Elections, which is chaired by BFA "A" -rated Rep. Ron Maag, heard testimony on HB495 (Reciprocity & Concealed Carry Modernization)."

"HB495, also known as the reciprocity & concealed carry modernization bill makes three changes to current law:
  • Changes to automatically honor other states licenses, just like a driver's license

  • Eliminates the "demonstrated competency" requirement for 2nd and future CHL renewals, making CHL training similar to a hunting license

  • Fixes the definition of a 'loaded gun' to match the commonly accepted definition"
"This was the third hearing for this important bill." ...
 

Second Amendment Foundation, Calguns Foundation Target San Francisco Bay Area Gun Confiscations
Submitted by: Bruce W. Krafft

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"Last month, the Second Amendment Foundation filed a suit in federal court against the police departments of San Francisco and Oakland. The suit was over the police departments’ refusal to return firearms confiscated from individuals during the course of investigations in which those individuals were later cleared of wrongdoing."

"The filing, which came just days before the similar story of wounded Afghan war veteran Lt. Augustine Kim surfaced, where, after stop for a medical appointment at Walter Reed during a trip from New Jersey to South Carolina, Kim was arrested and his firearms confiscated by DC police." ...
 

CO: Victory! Colo. Supreme Court Strikes Down Colorado University's Concealed Carry Ban (video available)
Submitted by: Bruce W. Krafft

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"The Colorado Supreme Court has made a pivotal decision by striking down the University of Colorado’s ban on concealed carry weapons on campus, Gun Digest reports."

"The struggle between gun rights and gun bans on college campuses never really seems to end, does it? Well, the war may not be over, but a major battle has been won for gun rights activists. The Colorado Supreme Court heard the arguments in the case of Students for Concealed Carry on Campus (SCCC) v. University of Colorado and they found UC’s argument lacking. They ruled that the ban was illegal because it was not approved by the state legislature."

"Evidently, being a university official doesn’t grant legislative power. We guess they never got the memo." ...
 

Oral Arguments Presented in Illinois Carry Case (Shepard v. Madigan)
Submitted by: Bruce W. Krafft

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"Oral arguments took place today in the United States Court of Appeals for the Seventh Circuit in Shepard v. Madigan."

"The case involves lead plaintiff Mary Shepard, an Illinois resident and a trained gun owner with no criminal record, who is licensed to carry a concealed handgun in both Utah and Florida. The National Rifle Association is funding this case. The Illinois State Rifle and Pistol Association is a co-plaintiff in this case." ...
 

IN: Chicago ATF agents find Gary less than hospitable
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"An undercover operation by ATF agents from Chicago went awry Friday afternoon when the alleged targets robbed the confidential informant sent to buy weapons." ...
 

NC: Top This - PBA head fields anti-cops conspiracy theory
Submitted by: Bruce W. Krafft

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"John Midgette, head of the N.C. Police Benevolent Association, has treated us to a doozy of a warm-up act. Let's watch and see what else he's got."

"Midgette, presumably speaking for the organization and its membership, last week delivered himself of an oration against unnamed conspirators bent on undermining the Fayetteville Police Department." ...

"... the gist of Midgette's complaint seems to be that the department has been the object of too much public scrutiny and too much free speech." ...
 

TX: Former Corpus Christi officer ordered back to jail Monday after bond revocation hearing
Submitted by: Bruce W. Krafft

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"A former Corpus Christi police officer is back in jail after a federal bond revocation hearing Monday in connection with charges he had sex with a 14-year-old girl."

"Robert Lee McChester Jr., 27, will remain at the Aransas County Jail until an Aug. 30 sentencing hearing after pleading guilty last week to charges of using the Internet to sexually entice a minor." ...
 

OR: Rehire of Portland officer who shot unarmed man contended
Submitted by: Bruce W. Krafft

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"The city of Portland has filed a legal brief contending that a Portland police officer who shot an unarmed man in the back two years ago should not be reinstated."

"In a brief to the state Employment Relations Board, attorneys Howard Rubin and Jennifer Nelson wrote that rehiring Ronald Frashour would violate public policy because his use of deadly force was 'unjustified and egregious.'" ...
 

NY: Officer Faces Manslaughter Charges in a Bronx Death
Submitted by: Bruce W. Krafft

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"A police officer will be prosecuted on manslaughter charges in the shooting death of Ramarley Graham, an 18-year-old who was killed by a single police bullet in his bathroom after a team of narcotics officers broke into his Bronx home, three people briefed on the charges said Monday." ...
 

NC: State trooper serves suspension over traffic stop
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"A state trooper is back on the road after a two-day suspension given after a Winston-Salem motorist says he was shot with a stun gun and repeatedly kneed in the face for calling the trooper a derogatory name."

"Master Trooper Sean B. Davidson served his unpaid disciplinary suspension this week, said N.C. Highway Patrol spokesman 1st Sgt. Jeff Gordon."

"Gordon would not say whether it came as a result of the agency's internal review of the Feb. 24 traffic stop, citing the privacy law protecting state employees." ...
 

RI: ACLU says Cranston police illegally took a man's weapons (audio available)
Submitted by: Bruce W. Krafft

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"The Rhode Island affiliate of the American Civil Liberties Union has filed a lawsuit against the Cranston Police Department, charging it with illegally seizing a man's weapons."

"The ACLU says the Cranston Police Department violated Robert Machado's due process and Second Amendment rights when they seized his lawfully obtained guns and samurai swords back in September." ...
 

Congresswoman Corrine Brown Lauds Civil Rights Commission Study on Racial Bias and Stand Your Ground Laws
Submitted by: Bruce W. Krafft

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"Congresswoman Corrine Brown praised the announcement by the United States Commission on Civil Rights of a study on racial bias and Stand Your Ground laws in Florida and elsewhere. As the Commission noted, 'while there are some indicators of racial bias in the triggers and operation of SYG laws, research is scant.' That’s why my colleague, Congressman Keith Ellison, and I called on the Department of Justice to do a similar study,' Brown said." ...
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Submitter's Note: Another chicken rooting for Col. Sanders.
 

Take the right stand on 'stand your ground'
Submitted by: Bruce W. Krafft

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"On its website, Northland Church ... posts a Bible verse from Luke about Jesus growing in wisdom, and finding favor with 'God and man.' If the people who assemble today at the church in Longwood want to gain wisdom, they will look hard at the law that has brought them to the church."

"Those are the members of Gov. Scott’s Task Force on Citizen Safety and Protection, and they hold their first public meeting not far from where on Feb. 26 George Zimmerman shot and killed Trayvon Martin. The law is Florida’s 'stand your ground' statute, which may allow Mr. Zimmerman to escape punishment for provoking a confrontation with an unarmed teenager, ignoring a police dispatcher’s call to back off and fatally shooting Mr. Martin." ...
 

KS: Prosecutors still pondering action in case of gun in KU dorm room
Submitted by: Bruce W. Krafft

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"Douglas County prosecutors are still reviewing whether to file charges against a 22-year-old Kansas University student who was accused of possessing a gun inside his scholarship hall room in April."

"A Lawrence attorney says the case illustrates constitutional questions because a student’s campus dorm room is considered a student’s home, where the Supreme Court has ruled it’s a fundamental right for residents to possess firearms for protection under the Second Amendment." ...
 

NY: Cars kills more New Yorkers than guns
Submitted by: GunPoliticsNY
Website: http://www.gunpoliticsny.com

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"The most deadly weapon in New York City is not be a knife or even a handgun."

"It’s a car."

"That’s what transit advocates said today, revealing that more people were killed by cars in the last decade than by guns." ...
 

WA: Gun owners plan to attend Town Hall Seattle meet on urban violence
Submitted by: Bruce W. Krafft

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"Puget Sound area gun rights activists have circled Monday, June 18 on their calendars and are planning to attend a meeting at Town Hall Seattle to address the city’s sharp spike in urban violence."

"They're talking about the meeting at Seattle Guns and Open Carry/Washington. The event follows closely on the heels of Seattle City Councilwoman Sally Bagshaw's 16-point proposal to reduce violence, discussed here. The Seattle Times also has discussed mass killers, and the reader feedback is interesting." ...
 

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